Born Again Christians



It is currently Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:56 am

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 7 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Evolution needs information which requires a design
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:50 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:19 pm
Posts: 338
On another message board, there was a user who insulted me as if I was ten and didn't know anything about evolution.

I'm not ten years old and I may not be the smartest person but I do read books from from a chemical biology professor and though I'm not very smart, I'm smart enough to break it down into something we can all understand.

I know something about evolution and I'll give you my Bibliography on the subject and you can always give me your Bibliography on the subject. Did you ever hear of Dr. Wilder-Smith? He was director of research for a Swiss Pharmaceutical company. He describes life in "The Time Dimension: Its Relationship to the Origin of Life":

Evolution would be true if this formula was correct:

1) matter+time+energy = abiogenesis
2) Primal cell + time + energy + mutation + natural selection = evolutive speciation

Creation requires:
3) matter + time + energy + actual information
4) cell + time + energy + actual information = homo sapiens

He basically says that the biological metabolic machine of life is constructed on the basis of "molecular fit" and the biological cell system is based on the principle of a hand fitting into a glove and a left handed glove will only fit the left hand and the right hand will only fit the right hand and there is a bit of symmetry involved because the carbon atom has a structure which is in the shape of a tetrahedron because its form resembles four equilateral triangles laid together and the left handed glove is my name for the left growing symmetry and the right handed glove is my name for the right side symmetry of the molecules. You have to have the right chemical "fit" which means that information has to be used to enable chemistry to separate left handed chemistry from right handed chemistry amd the whole DNA sequence has to be correct or else life cannot occur because many processes have to be correct first: Building Enzymatic proteins then the resulting sequences of amino acids and it has to operate under conditions where biogenesis can occur because the body has to burn sugar at a temperature where it won't die which means that everything is locked into specific conditions which require information, etc. Where did the information come to build it and how do we go from less complex systems to more complex? It requires information and a design. Why don't you write a basic program in computer language using BASIC and require that it create another program that is more complex and for that program to write another program that is more complex. It requires information to go from BASIC to PASCAL to C language and you can't go from simple programs to more complex. You can't go from the single cell to full blown human beings without information.

Vernon Blackmore and Andrew Page, "Evolution The Great Debate"

Wilder-Smith, A.E., "Man's Origin Man's Destiny", Definitive Paluxy River Update

Wilder-Smith, A.E., "The Creation of Life", a cybernetic approach to evolution

Wilder-Smith, A.E., "The Natural Sciences Know Nothing of Evolution"

Wilder-Smith, A.E., "The Scientific Alternative to Neo-Darwinian Evolutionary Theory: Information Sources & Structures"

Wilder-Smith, A.E., "Time Dimension"


"Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups."-Dr. Louis Bounoure, Director of the Zoological Museum and Director of Research at the National Center of Scientific in France

"Evolutionists claim their theory is scientific. Where is the science? I can assure the reader the American Kennel Club would not certify an ancestor of your dog based on evidence such as paleontologists present."-Isaac V. Manly, M.D., Harvard Medical School

"I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens, many people will pose the question: how did this ever happen?"-Saltationist Soren Lovtrup, Professor of Embryology, University of Umea, Sweden

"The theory of evolution is the great white elephant of contemporary thought. It is large, almost entirely useless, and the subject of superstitious awe."-David Rerlinsky, Mathematician

"We have had enough of the Darwinian fallacy. It's about time we cry 'the emperor has no clothes.'"-Ken Hsu, Geological Institute at Aurich, Former President of the International Association of Sedimentologists

"To my mind, the theory does not stand up at all....we must go further than this and admit the only acceptable explanation is creation."-H.S. Lipson, University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:38 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:19 pm
Posts: 338
Quote:
Isaac Asimov estimates that the 30-amino-acid-protein, insulin, has
8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (eight octillion) different arrangements. He further extimates that the number of possible combinations for a 140 amino acid protein like hemoglobin is 135 followed by 165 zeroes. This is a larger number than all the atoms estimated in the universe.
Out of all these possibilities, the body can use only one arrangement. Asimov states,


Quote:
Out of 40,320 possible vasopressin combinations, the body chooses just one out of eight octillion possible combinations; for one of the insulin polypeptides, the body chooses just one.

The question is no longer where the body fines the variety it needs, but how it controls the possible variety and keeps it within bounds.2"

1 Isaac Asimov, The Genetic Code, New York: The New American Library, 1962, p.92.
2 Ibid., p. 93.

p.137,"Reasons Skeptics should consider Christianity"

One must wonder with the complexities of every little variable falling into place why everything is so precise and so exact. Would there have been enough time for all of the combinations to fall into place? Why isn't there evidence of life on other planets which haven't evolved into lower stages of the evolutionary ladder? Why aren't there half breeds of nothingness if it all fell on chance?

Another subject-

Bionic Comparisons:
The Bat and Manmade Sonar Systems
The Human Eye and Video Recording Systems
The Human Brain and a Computer

Would anyone suggest that the video recorder is a process of random chance? No. It was designed and it had a creator. In order to believe Evolution, us humans would have to have some random organs that have nothing to do with sustaining life or daily functions but we have specific and task oriented organs.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Evolution needs information which requires a design
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:09 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:37 am
Posts: 90
Quote:
"I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens, many people will pose the question: how did this ever happen?"-Saltationist Soren Lovtrup, Professor of Embryology, University of Umea, Sweden



Well how true is that....

and sadly those who chose the myth over the TRUTH will be lost eternally.

Creation itself is all we need to see that there is a divine Creator. How foolish are men to consider that a complex being such as humans, infact a diverse and complex world with millions of animal and plant species, could all have formed from a single cell?

I've not read the book but I've heard of it and the title strikes me as fitting... I don't have enough faith to be an atheist .... seems to me that it takes more faith to believe the myth.

But men love the myth, they love it because it means they can continue to live in a sin filled life without having to ever admit that sin. They are puffed up with pride and don't want to be humble before God.

How did this ever happen? Men chose to believe the lie despite all the evidence God has given them for His existence.

Blessings

Debbie


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:21 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:04 pm
Posts: 65
I think it's all wonderful. They should never stop searching, in their search one by one they will realise the truth, in their endeavors to create they will realise that creation is already done, in their attempts to make it all fit they will realise there is only one thing that fits. It's very exciting indeed.

_________________
Angie
---------
Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins. {Pro 10:12}
-----------
God Bless


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Evolution needs information which requires a design
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:07 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:19 pm
Posts: 338
DeJayne wrote:
Creation itself is all we need to see that there is a divine Creator. How foolish are men to consider that a complex being such as humans, infact a diverse and complex world with millions of animal and plant species, could all have formed from a single cell?


I'm overwhelmed by the opposition from people who have expertise on this subject and I don't have enough man hours to counter, understand or explain all of the issues. They believe that natural selection has a brain and has thought all this stuff out through millions of years but they are slow at explaining how.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:04 pm
Posts: 65
Haven't we learnt that it is very hard to accept the truth. People will naturally question and make excuse until there is nothing left but to accept the truth.

It is a very hard thing to admit you were wrong, to admit your whole life has been lived with a lie, that you have taught your children and even the world lies. And don't forget about the devil here also.

_________________
Angie
---------
Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins. {Pro 10:12}
-----------
God Bless


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:14 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:19 pm
Posts: 338
kyria wrote:
Haven't we learnt that it is very hard to accept the truth. People will naturally question and make excuse until there is nothing left but to accept the truth.

It is a very hard thing to admit you were wrong, to admit your whole life has been lived with a lie, that you have taught your children and even the world lies. And don't forget about the devil here also.


This is very true, Kyria. You have to believe what the institutions believe and in the secular world, you have to believe in the product you are selling. You can't drink Pepsi if you work for Coke and vice versa.

My professor once worked at a Planetarium and he had to fight for his job because he was misquoted in the paper on Astronomy and Astrology (the Zodiac) because the writer didn't fully understand what his opinion was and what he was trying to say. He was fired but he was able to explain to his boss and reluctantly, his boss gave him his job back.




Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 7 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Skin by Lucas Kane